Nurse Ratched
6:17 Fri Feb 3
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"If I asked you (to have sex) you'd only say No"
Yeah, not a dodgy potential rapist at all.
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ray winstone
6:08 Fri Feb 3
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twoleftfeet 4:33 Fri Feb 3
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wansteadman
5:50 Fri Feb 3
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Innocent means he never did it.
The film shows he did it and the fact all involved have got together to get him off it doesn't make him innocent.
It does show what a horrible cunt he is and the fact he's thrown money at her family shows how it all works
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BRANDED
5:14 Fri Feb 3
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“Innocence is a lack of guilt, with respect to any kind of crime, or wrongdoing. In a legal context, innocence is to the lack of legal guilt of an individual, with respect to a crime”
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:59 Fri Feb 3
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BRANDED 4:24 Fri Feb 3
'You seem a tad rattled Surf.
If found guilty the individual is guilty until otherwise. Its not even complicated.'
I would suggest that if anyone is rattled it's the person who cannot construct a coherent sentence and yet claims it isn't complicated.
What on earth are you going on about now?
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twoleftfeet
4:33 Fri Feb 3
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He did it.
He got away with it.
He will do it again.
Guaranteed.
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BRANDED
4:24 Fri Feb 3
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You seem a tad rattled Surf.
If life is all about probabilities its fair that in law there needs to be a system to get beyond reasonable doubt. What happens before that is merely process. If found guilty the individual is guilty until otherwise. Its not even complicated.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:16 Fri Feb 3
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Er, yes.
Almost all of that has fuck all to do with 'innocent until proven guilty' and the bits that do all relate to the court proceedings, don't they?
And nobody has said anyone is 'guilty' of anything, have they?
You still don't understand the difference between 'not guity' and 'innocent' or that 'innocent until proven guilty 'only relates to court proceedings.
Here - cut and paste wanker.
'"Presumption of innocence" serves to emphasize that the prosecution has the obligation to prove each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt (or some other level of proof depending on the criminal justice system) and that the accused bears no burden of proof.[22] This is often expressed in the phrase "presumed innocent until proven guilty", coined by the British barrister Sir William Garrow (1760–1840)[23] during a 1791 trial at the Old Bailey. Garrow insisted that accusers be robustly tested in court. An objective observer in the position of the juror must reasonably conclude that the defendant almost certainly committed the crime.[24] In 1935, in its judgment of Woolmington v Director of Public Prosecutions, the English Court of Appeal would later describe this concept as being 'the golden thread' running through the web of English criminal law. Garrow's statement was the first formal articulation of this.[25]
The presumption of innocence was originally expressed by the French cardinal and canonical jurist Jean Lemoine in the phrase "item quilbet presumitur innocens nisi probetur nocens (a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty)", based on the legal inference that most people are not criminals.[26] However, this referred not merely to the fact that the burden of proof rests on the prosecution in a criminal case, but the protections which a defendant should be given: prior notice of the accusation being made against them, the right of confrontation, right to counsel, etc.[27] It is literally considered favorable evidence for the accused that automatically attaches at trial.[28] It requires that the trier of fact, be it a juror or judge, begin with the presumption that the state is unable to support its assertion.['
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BRANDED
4:04 Fri Feb 3
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Article 6 of the Human Rights Act 1988 provides citizens in our country the right to a fair and public trial or hearing in relation to both criminal and civil matters. Section 2 of Article 6 states , “Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law”. You also have the following rights (this list is not exhaustive):
• to a trial which is fair, public, heard by an independent court or tribunal, and heard in a reasonable time.
• to be informed promptly, in detail, and in a language you understand, the nature and cause of the accusation against you;
• to have sufficient time and resources to prepare a defence;
• to defend yourself in person or with legal assistance of your own choosing;
• to examine and have examined witnesses against you, and to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on your behalf
• access to the free assistance of an interpreter if required.
This fundamental right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty is also an international human right under Article 11 of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It states that “Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty” and that “no one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed”.
Everything else is conjecture
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Heath Hammer
3:58 Fri Feb 3
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not being prosecuted does not make you innocent
it just means that CPS are not sure if they have enough to likely get a conviction. The bar for a conviction is high.... not have the evidence is nothing to do with guilt.
plenty of guilty people walk free because of legal missteps, lack of evidence etc.
CPS dropping the case in not a matter of guilt or not
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BRANDED
3:36 Fri Feb 3
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Surf
What prosecutors and police think is merely opinion. You have to be proven guilty.
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Stevethehammer
3:20 Fri Feb 3
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What ya doing, I'm trying to fuck ya ya Twat
Mason.. I don't want to have sex
I don't give a fuck what you want
Sounds very innocent to me
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:17 Fri Feb 3
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Branded
I'm not how that in any way addresses the points I've made.
Since you just keep parroting the same ill-informed thing, I'll just have to presume you are guilty of stupity and are unable to grasp the concept under discussion.
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BRANDED
2:50 Fri Feb 3
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Surf
They dropped all charges.
He's innocent son
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:45 Fri Feb 3
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BRANDED 2:27 Fri Feb 3
'He is absolutely innocent. Until he is convicted.'
How does anyone get sent to trial if the CPS have to assume they are absolutely innocent? At the very least they have to presume someone might not be innocent.
This all seems very tricky for you. Do you need a lie down.
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Stevethehammer
2:37 Fri Feb 3
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The law is there to protect the rich and the wealthy and to prosecute anyone who doesn't fall in line be that either financially or custodial.
How many rich and wealthy people get away with breaking the law, speeding, fraud etc etc. The common man/woman on the street has the book thrown at him/her.
Greenwood has money, can afford the best lawyers and sticking a suitcase full of £££ into the bird and her family's face and the promise of I won't do it again has probably swayed the whole decision making surrounding it.
Money talks
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BRANDED
2:27 Fri Feb 3
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He is absolutely innocent. Until he is convicted. That doesn't seem to be happening.
All in the eyes of the law.
The law is an ongoing process so its entirely possible at some point he could be guilty and might have to cough up some more.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:15 Fri Feb 3
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Branded
'Innocent and proven guilty' is merely an instruction given to a jury or judge in a particular case in a court of law. In fact, the correct phrase is, 'the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty'.
If this concept were to be applied outside the court-room into the wider reaches of the legal system and society as a whole, then the police would never be able to arrest anyone and the CPS would never be able to send a case to trial.
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Crassus
2:07 Fri Feb 3
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BRANDED
Surface has a good point, he was not delivered a not guilty verdict (innocent is an incorrect term)
By that very fact, it may open an avenue to his club that would not be there otherwise
They retain the option of paying off his contract and sending him away but if they could claim legitimate gross misconduct then they could sling his arse buckshee
I wonder if he was suspended upon full pay in his absence or whether the legal situation afforded not paying him?
What has happened to Mendy at City, heard he was not guilty but nothing since - did they bin him?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:55 Fri Feb 3
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Branded
No. You were banging on about him being innocent because he hasn't been found guilty. I'm free to think what I like about Mr Greenwood's innocence or not. Should I make a statement that Mr Greenwood thinks is libellous, he is free to sue me.
O.J. Simpson.
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BRANDED
1:49 Fri Feb 3
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Of course if you want the court of public opinion or trial by media?
There are obviously many people found guilty who are later exonerated. Truth is never absolute in the eyes of the law.
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